tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492007072400883438.post4615329761787659060..comments2023-10-18T03:22:50.455-07:00Comments on truthjihad.com blog: Steve Alten: My 9/11/2009 New York presentation "Hitler's type of propaganda"Kevin Barretthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16674471854209420488noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492007072400883438.post-33730011682742527252010-01-17T13:35:06.438-08:002010-01-17T13:35:06.438-08:00It seems to me that if we make 9/11 about anything...It seems to me that if we make 9/11 about anything but the evidence (no matter whose ox is gored by that evidence) we invite discord. What are the odds we are going to get agreement and cooperation between people of divergent political, ethnic, and religious persuasions by comparisons to Hitler? In laying out the relevant evidence and evaluating it, the test of "on what ethnic/religious group it reflects badly?" is not helpful. <br /><br />Our adversary is a government who stonewalls its citizens, covers up the evidence, and deliberately falsifies events for its own purpose.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492007072400883438.post-44484164659672508612010-01-17T06:52:15.867-08:002010-01-17T06:52:15.867-08:00There are good reasons to suspect that Zionism may...There are good reasons to suspect that Zionism may have been a key factor in 9/11, reasons that have nothing to do with "hatred" and "prejudice." Alongside the evidence discussed by Bollyn and others, there is the big picture to consider. Here is my response to Elias Davidsson, who thinks 9/11 was a US imperial op and that those pushing for the Zionist interpretation are muddying the waters.<br /><br />Elias,<br /><br />The big-picture argument for Zionist primacy in 9/11 boils down to:<br /><br />The US needs energy, and advantageous terms of trade, from the Muslim-majority lands of the Middle East and Central Asia.<br /><br />The people of those lands will never accept a Jewish state in Palestine, hate the US for supporting Israel, and will eventually take over their own governments and/or punish the US in every possible way if the US continues to support Israel. <br /><br />Therefore, the US has two choices: 1) Throw its weight behind the Palestinians (and Muslims), establish a peaceful "protection (against Russia/China/India) for energy" partnership of equals with the Muslim lands, including a liberated/decolonized Palestine; or 2) Continue to support Israel and thereby be dragged into a war against the world's Muslim population for as long as Israel exists as a Jewish state occupying Palestinian land. (Note: One of the key objectives of the Af-Pak war is the Zionist one of breaking up Pakistan and getting rid of its nuclear capability.)<br /><br />Choice 1 would seem to benefit the US more than choice 2. The oil companies want choice 1. They have always supported the anti-Israel "Arabists" in the State Department; they have always tried to deal with "rogue" (anti-Zionist) governments like Qaddafi, Saddam, Iran, etc. but are undercut by the Zionists, as explained by James Petras; they want stability, not instability. Instability is bad for business. <br /><br />Since it would be in the US national interest to throw Israel to the wolves, as it appears from the pro-Zionist viewpoint, an extremely powerful campaign has been mounted in the US, beginning decades ago, to ensure that Zionists control US Middle East policy. To that end politics (where roughly half of all federal campaign money comes with Zionist strings attached) and journalism (where more than half of decision makers are Jewish Zionists) have been taken over. <br /><br />9/11 cemented the US in a permanent war against Muslims. It was modeled on Pearl Harbor; intensive military psychological research showed that Americans still hated the Japanese half a century later, and the point of 9/11 was to get the same kind of effect and lock in the war for many decades.<br /><br />Who benefits from a decades-long US war against Muslims? Not the US -- its economy is already staggering under the load.<br /><br />Israel may or may not be able to survive this US vs. Muslim 100 years war, but without that war, Israel's demise would be guaranteed. Thus Israel (and Zionist hard-liners in the US who ran Cheney's office) had the motivation to take the gigantic risk 9/11 entailed. Some corrupt military money-grubbers and goose-steppers may have gone along with it, but I can't see them as the originators and prime movers. Maurizio Blondet's analysis of 9/11 as a Zionist coup d'etat, discussed at http://www.mujca.com/luttwak.htm , still seems a reasonable hypothesis in light of the facts.Kevin Barretthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16674471854209420488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492007072400883438.post-43654345219452864642010-01-17T00:47:10.216-08:002010-01-17T00:47:10.216-08:00It's not hard to fathom what Steve Alten's...It's not hard to fathom what Steve Alten's definition of "legitimate" is, in the light of his objection that no light can come out of the "hatred" and "prejudice" exhibited by the view that 9/11 was a Mossad operation. Steve, get that beam of prejudice out of your eye before you begin on the speck in Kevin Barrett's. Physician, heal thyself!Paul Homenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492007072400883438.post-64912521206608149532010-01-16T17:37:18.474-08:002010-01-16T17:37:18.474-08:00Hey, Brian Good! Haven't seen you in awhile.
...Hey, Brian Good! Haven't seen you in awhile. <br /><br />Actually my favorite tarot image is The Fool (not the Kooky Clown)-- the guy walking off the cliff with insouciant innocence. Read "Crazy Wisdom" by Wes Nisker for details.<br /><br />If you go up against the 9/11 perps, the Zionists, or the combination thereof, you're walking off a cliff...best do it with pure heart, empty mind, sense of humor intact, and whatever lucidity that comes with these attributes of the Fool. This is one way of being a muslim (one who submits to God).<br /><br />The opposite of that is the Brian Good approach: utter humorlessness, envy, vendettas and/or sexual harassment campaigns against famous activists, and other ego-prison symptoms. Brian, you'd be a lot happier and more successful if you'd just let go of your obsessions and step off the cliff like a purehearted fool.Kevin Barretthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16674471854209420488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492007072400883438.post-65530823259326628782010-01-16T17:17:16.138-08:002010-01-16T17:17:16.138-08:00So Barrett operates in lucid mode yet one more tim...So Barrett operates in lucid mode yet one more time. Don't worry, he will soon be playing the kooky clown once again, bringing discredit to the causes of anti-zionism, justice for palenstinians, Islam, libertarianism, and 9/11 truth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492007072400883438.post-9023882818435052692010-01-16T16:46:49.344-08:002010-01-16T16:46:49.344-08:00Kevin,
The following would not post on the truth...Kevin,<br /> <br />The following would not post on the truthjihad website. Is is in response to the Alten debate.<br />~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br />No matter what the subject, there's always the chance of sensitivities clouding an issue. However, as Mr. Alten I'm sure is aware, there are questions regarding the presence of Masad during 9/11. But as I understand, the comparison of the Reichstag Fire to 9/11 pertains to an event opposed to specific individuals. Bringing the likes of Hitler into the discussion only clouds the issue.<br /> <br />So who would be overly sensitive? Firstly, it is a misconception that the average Israeli is a Zionist and dead set on the elimination of all Palestinians from neighboring territory. I refer to the lack of conventional media coverage of public protests in Israel against the military occupation of Palestine. From my perspective, most Jews have a rational view of their own history and this includes the Holocaust, notwithstanding the fact that there have been many holocausts throughout history involving a greater percent of a population than what took place during WWII.<br /> <br />Secondly, name calling: i.e. wacko is an immediate flag that the individual using said language is himself on the fringe and not exactly being objective. Even those individuals perceived to be out in left field frequently have valid points when allowing the water to clear. Hence, the use of name calling and the distortion of a comment to incorporate an abstract are both indicators of alternative motives.<br /> <br />Was Masad involved in 9/11? It is generally known that Israeli intelligence warned the CIA of impending attacks. Could fringe group have otherwise been involved? Maybe, maybe not. We're arguing over points that have not been specifically established through an independent investigation. From another standpoint, sensitivities to potential issues frequently reveal a fear of sorts that certain information is liable to be made public. At any rate, the entire discussion deviates from objectivity, as an independent investigation into the facts is liable to lead into many different places. How would a blind man identify an elephant if only allowed to examine one portion of the animal? Only a fool places judgement on an issue before that issue has even been established.<br />~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br />I think it's rather obvious what you meant regarding your analogy to the Reichstag Fire.<br /> <br />Later,<br />NedKevin Barretthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16674471854209420488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492007072400883438.post-61943890045716609442010-01-16T13:39:10.267-08:002010-01-16T13:39:10.267-08:00A former President of Italy stated in a major Ital...A former President of Italy stated in a major Italian Newspaper http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/9-11_solved118.html that everyone in the European and American intelligence communities knows that Israel's Mossad was responsible for the 911 attacks. The Mossad is Israel's intelligence agency.<br /><br />The Mossad motto: "By way of deception, thou shall do war" <br />Here is a major item: The Dancing Israelis (from Urban Moving Systems) were actually Mossad and Israeli Defense Forces personnel and were seen dancing and celebrating while video taping the first tower being hit. The authorities developed their pictures which showed them rejoicing while holding a lit lighter with the burning twin towers in the background. They were arrested and failed lie detector tests but were let go due to orders from Michael Chertoff. When they returned to Israel they went on a talk show where one of them mentioned they were there to document the event. The confession video is at Youtube and other web pages including at this link: http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html How could they have be there to document the event unless they had prior knowledge of the attacks! <br /><br />This article about the Dancing Israelis is a must read. It also includes information about the Dancing Israelis that indicates they planned to blow up the George Washington Bridge on 911, fortunately they were arrested.<br /><br />The Israeli Art students (arrested spies) were following and living very close to the hijackers in Florida including Atta. http://newsmine.org/content.php?ol=9-11/questions/israelis/israeli-art-students-canvassed-DEA-offices.txt <br /><br /><br />Odigo Systems, an Israeli company with a New York City office received an advanced warning by email that an attack was going to occur in New York City the day of the attack. This is verified by their CEO. They were probably not tipped off by Arabs! http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/9-11_warnings_odigo.html <br /><br />Zim American Israeli Shipping Company, also considered to be a front for the Mossad and the CIA broke their lease in one of the twin towers which cost them $50,000 and moved out about a week before the attack. Perhaps they had an advance warning. http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/02/09/AmericanFreePress0902.html <br /><br /><br />http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/hanjour.html <br /><br />"In the second week of August 2001, Hanjour had attempted to rent a small plane from an airport in Bowie, MD. Flight instructors Sheri Baxter and Ben Conner declined his request, after taking Hanjour on three test runs, noting he had trouble controlling and landing the Cessna 172. Source". <br /><br />Regarding hitting the Pentagon: "It required making a tight 320-degree turn while descending seven thousand feet, then leveling out so as to fly low enough over the highway just west of the Pentagon to knock down lamp posts. http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/deceptions/badpilots.html <br /><br /><br />It gets even more intriguing: Eddie Shalev was the man who certified the incompetent pilot Hanjour to rent a Cessna 172 just three days after Marcel Bernard the chief instructor at Freeway refused to rent Hanjour the very same plane. The shocker is that Eddie Shalev is an Israeli and served in the Israeli army. <br /><br />http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14290 <br /><br />System Planning Corporation, an Israeli company produces the Flight Termination System that is used to take over and fly airplanes by remote control. Perhaps the system was used with the 911 attack planes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492007072400883438.post-62075187445638574172010-01-16T12:00:59.472-08:002010-01-16T12:00:59.472-08:00Steve Alten resorts to the usual knee-jerk reactio...Steve Alten resorts to the usual knee-jerk reaction, "you're spreading hatred towards Jews." The clear implication is Kevin Barrett may facilitate an atmosphere where another mass roundup and extermination of Jews can take place. It seems, this type of defense is clearly falling flat on nearly everyone's ears, it's so worn out. It's such a sad attempt to manipulate social opinion. The Israeli Army deposits sewn up Palestinian corpses back at the kill site but that's acceptable--morbidly harvesting organs from dead victims? Did anyone check the gold fillings? The knee-jerk defense is one of last resort rhetorically, if you're unable to engage the facts because they're clearly not in your favor. Kevin, after reading Alten, I fantasize about a Truth Jihadist comic book character who welds his sword wildly in his search for candidates to star in the town square's Friday prayer. Go get em', Kevin!Xnihilatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00459423088062367844noreply@blogger.com